UFC 134 Rio de Janeiro Aug 27th

[poopoo333]

I posted it already.. http://mmahits.com/fight-video/mma-v...v-fight-video/

[Vandelay]

whered u get the randleman vid?

[edman5555]

Watched Randleman vid, first 2.5 rounds anyway. Not much happened on the feet. The fight was mostly a wrestling match. It was pretty even, Randleman had a slight edge in the wrestling though. I would say Ned landed more g and p. Ned is a brute though with pretty decent wrestling. He has to be decent if he can hang with Randleman right? I wouldn't be shocked to see him go out and take down Luis pretty easily. Luis seems to be a pretty heavy hitter though. Tough call.

[MMA_scientist]

You think Cane will be able to handle Nedkov? Or did you even look at this fight?

I am contemplating hedging out of my Cane bet

I have looked at it briefly (just long enough to know I don't want to be it). But he wanted ot stand with Wiuff didn't he? He didn't get a takedown, he dropped him. I couldn't load the Randleman vid. Cane is pretty long though, he will have to get through that. I personally think Cane will win and he will be able to stuff him enough to win a decision or finish him late.

[MMA_scientist]

It is also the reason some NCAA champs don't seem to have that great of takedowns. Some guys are just really good mat wrestlers. Ben Askren is one of those guys, he was a really good mat wrestler, his takedowns were good also of course, but his style was difficult to translate to freestyle because he often willingly exposed his back to gain a reversal. In FS, that costs you points. Askren also said that BJJ is closer to folkstyle wrestling than FS is. I don't agree with that, but I understand his point. In the international styles, control and position are not really important.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, FILA is the international body which only recognizes Greco and FS. In America we call our style folkstyle.

see here: http://www.themat.com/results.php?Category=National You will see the styles as fresstyle, greco, folkstyle.

Here in America, Folkstyle refers to NCAA style wrestling. If you look at the website, FILA (which is the international wrestling body) does not sponsor the folkstyle wrestling, they are sponsored by the USA Wrestling, which is the US governing body.

That said, it is only done in America that I know of, so I guess the definition by FILA is correct, it is a local style.

But IMO, it is the best style for MMA.

[poopoo333]

Pretty good. They are not far behind the U.S. in international rankings. There is basically Russia, Turkey, Cuba, U.S., Japan, Georgia, and then everyone else. Bulgaria is one of the best of the "everyone else." But most countries train more like BJJ stylists, more emphasis on flow and technique. Americans train mental toughness and conditioning. It just transfers better to mma. I wouldn't worry too much.

You think Cane will be able to handle Nedkov? Or did you even look at this fight?

Recent vids of Nedkov:

http://mmahits.com/fight-video/mma-video/sengoku-11-kevin-randleman-vs-stanislav-nedkov-fight-video/

http://mmavideolinks.to/fighter-videos/345-stanislav-nedkov/6204-stanislav-nedkov-vs-travis-wiuff-.html

I am contemplating hedging out of my Cane bet

[SPX]

Well what the fuck are they talking about here then:

Folk wrestling describes a traditional form of wrestling unique to a culture or geographic region of the world that FILA does not administer rules for. Examples of the many styles of folk wrestling, include Backhold Wrestling (from Europe), Cumberland Wrestling and Catch-as-catch-can (from England), Kurash from Uzbekistan, Gushteengiri from Tajikistan, Khuresh from Siberia, Lotta Campidanese from Italy, Pahlavani from Iran, Pehlwani from India, Penjang Gulat from Indonesia, Schwingen from Switzerland, Shuai jiao from China, Ssireum from Korea.
Folk wrestling styles are not recognized as international styles of wrestling, by FILA.

[MMA_scientist]

I thought "folk-style" was just a catch-all term for various local wrestling styles throughout the world.

No, folkstyle is what you see in American highschool as college. The par terre position (referee's position) only exists in folkstyle. All of the mat wrestling you see, the switch, standup, sit out, granbys ect... they do not exist in international styles. They are pretty much just in folkstyle. After the takedown in freestyle and greco, you only have to expose the back... so the moves are just about rolling, like a gut wrench or leg lace or crotch lift, or the fanous Karelin lift. The bottom man in greco and FS generally just bellies out on the mat and waits for a stand up. You only get about 10 seconds to turn them. In folkstyle, the top man gets riding time points and the bottom man has to escape. It is really a totally different sport.

[MMA_scientist]

Pretty good. They are not far behind the U.S. in international rankings. There is basically Russia, Turkey, Cuba, U.S., Japan, Georgia, and then everyone else. Bulgaria is one of the best of the "everyone else." But most countries train more like BJJ stylists, more emphasis on flow and technique. Americans train mental toughness and conditioning. It just transfers better to mma. I wouldn't worry too much.

[SPX]

My personal opinion is that foreign wrestlers are not as good because America is the only nation that focuses on folkstyle. Freestyle and Greco Roman are the olympic styles, but they have no mat wrestling and there is no focus on control on the mat or in the takedown. They are a lot more similar to judo in that it really does not matter how you land, it matters how big the throw was. In folkstyle, if you don't land on top, you didn't get the takedown. In international styles, that really is not the case. Also, the rules do not focus on escapes or reversals. A lot of people like to credit Greco with MMA success, but I really think it is the folkstyle base. In the NCAA they do folkstyle, we don't start freestyle and greco until after NCAAs. A lot of wrestlers do them in the off season, but it is not a focus until later.

I thought "folk-style" was just a catch-all term for various local wrestling styles throughout the world.

[poopoo333]

Bulgaria.

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist...if it's not American, how good is a "(insert country here) wrestling champ"? Nedkov is a wrestling champ from whatever country he is from which is kind of making me regret my Cane bet, but then again, last weekend the 6x Czech Republic wrestling champ Karlos Vemola got wrestlefucked up the ass for 15 minutes by a non wrestler.

Well iut depends on the country. Czech wrestling is pretty horrible. But Russian wrestling is better than American. Give me the country, and I will rate it.

My personal opinion is that foreign wrestlers are not as good because America is the only nation that focuses on folkstyle. Freestyle and Greco Roman are the olympic styles, but they have no mat wrestling and there is no focus on control on the mat or in the takedown. They are a lot more similar to judo in that it really does not matter how you land, it matters how big the throw was. In folkstyle, if you don't land on top, you didn't get the takedown. In international styles, that really is not the case. Also, the rules do not focus on escapes or reversals. A lot of people like to credit Greco with MMA success, but I really think it is the folkstyle base. In the NCAA they do folkstyle, we don't start freestyle and greco until after NCAAs. A lot of wrestlers do them in the off season, but it is not a focus until later.

Bottom line, with the international styles (other countries) it varies more from wrestler to wrestler. You really can't bank on them having good control or takedowns for mma. Like I said, it is a lot like judo in that regard, som eof them are really good on the mat, some not so much.

[SPX]

Not yet. The best I can get him at is +175 and considering he's gone past +200 I'm going to see what happens with the line.

[poopoo333]

X...did you bet Fisher?