UFC 134 Rio de Janeiro Aug 27th

[poopoo333]

Scientist...if it's not American, how good is a "(insert country here) wrestling champ"? Nedkov is a wrestling champ from whatever country he is from which is kind of making me regret my Cane bet, but then again, last weekend the 6x Czech Republic wrestling champ Karlos Vemola got wrestlefucked up the ass for 15 minutes by a non wrestler.

[MMA_scientist]

Don't see anything I am too excited about. I am definitely going to be on Forrest for a small play. Schaub seems to be the best line for a favorite. The prop lines opened while I was on vacation, so I think I missed my opportuniy for a magic parlay.

[SPX]

I didn't see Loveland's fight with Benavidez, but I'm curious about this superior striking you mention. Because kickboxing is Jabouin's game.

[poopoo333]

Also Jabouin is known to have conditioning issues, and he is making his first cut to 135 lbs. Jabouin also fights with a high output, and if he does this + has to handle Loveland when it comes to grappling, there is a good chance he will tire out. Also Loveland will have a 10 inch reach advantage according to the stats I found listed.

[edman5555]

Speaking strictly from a clinch standpoint Greco is more effective than Judo, but if you want to know what to do after the clinch goes to the ground then Greco isn't going to help you for shit.

yes

[poopoo333]

I bet on Loveland to win 2u. Solid grappling/striking, looked strong against Benevidez. I am not really sure where Jabouin is better then him to be honest. I might up the bet.

[SPX]

Thoughts on Loveland/Jabouin?

[poopoo333]

ok up on BFO now

[poopoo333]

Prelim lines out on Bookmaker UFC-134 PRELIMINARY MATCHUPS: -$250 LIMIT
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
5:30 PM	2471 SPENCER FISHER PK+175 2472 THIAGO TAVARES PK-215
4:15 PM	2475 DAVID MITCHELL PK+300 2476 PAULO THIAGO PK-400
3:30 PM	2479 LUIS RAMOS PK+215 2480 ERICK SILVA PK-275
5:10 PM	2483 DAN MILLER PK+190 2484 ROUSIMAR PALHARES PK-240
3:15 PM	2487 FELIPE ARANTES PK+240 2488 YURI ALCANTRA PK-300
2:40 PM	2491 IAN LOVELAND PK-130 2492 YVES JABOUIN PKEV
2:15 PM	2495 JOHNNY EDUARDO PKEV 2496 RAPHAEL ASSUNCAO PK-130

[Ludo]

Speaking strictly from a clinch standpoint Greco is more effective than Judo, but if you want to know what to do after the clinch goes to the ground then Greco isn't going to help you for shit.

[Vandelay]

Just bet on Silva inside distance if you want a good line. Doubt okami makes it to the final bell if he cant take down anderson.

[SPX]

Greco roman is also better than judo. Judo revolves around the Gi. Greco roman doesn't.

Call me biased, but I don't like saying Greco is better than judo.

Yes, judo is gay for the gi, but a lot of clubs devote at least some time to no-gi judo, which is very similar to Greco, so I'd say it all depends on how you train.

Also, a significant component of Judo involves ground work, so subs come into play, whereas they don't in Greco. (Keep in mind that BJJ came out of Judo.)

[edman5555]

I really hope andys line imrpoves though. I will probably dump on him. I want to build a bankroll again. I took out about 2k a while ago.

[edman5555]

True. I thought of that while writing my response. Good retort. Hendo is a better wrestler though. He was olympic. Greco roman is also better than judo. Judo revolves around the Gi. Greco roman doesn't. Hendo also wrestled regular wrestling in college. Overall as far as wrestling and takedowns go, I would say Hendo>Yushin. It may be fairly close though. Another thing that I think is this, Anderson silvas wrestling has probably gotten a lot better over the years. It is speculation though. The Chael fight is hard to read, Silva had a bruised rib and almost didn't fight. Chael did dominate for a long time though...

[SPX]

I don't disagree, but Hendo's takedowns are also clinch-based and he was able to get Silva down.