UFC on Versus 5

[edman5555]

Who has tagged and dropped Cerrone?

[edman5555]

2006 S-1 United States Muay Thai champion

Cerrone

Also, his kickboxing record is 28-0-1

[edman5555]

Another thing. Oliv has only really outstruck two guys that we have seen. Nik Lentz and Efrain Escudero. Two shorter wrestlers....Cerrone will actually be bigger and stronger than Oliv. He may have a better reach as well. Cerrone is also a pretty good wrestler. Oliv will have a hard time getting him down. Even if he does, Cerrone will by tough to submit. Cerrone is the bet here, especially at +130.

[MMA_scientist]

This is what I said originally about the Cerrone/Oliveira fight:

I might consider Cerrone by decision. He has never really stopped anyone with strikes that I can think of. They talk about it all the time, for a kickboxer he doesn't have a lot of power. He also can't sub Oliveira (probably). So decision is really his only out IMO. Had not really though about that fight, but now that I consider it, I think Cerrone via decision is the play. Or Oliveira straight up, because I think he had multiple ways to win.

Then I watched the fight between Oliveira and Lentz (I have no idea how it has survived on Youtube this long):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW4dBFpNvjg

Oliveira brings the pressure from bell to bell. He just does not stop bringing it... but he had 3 rounds to hurt Efrain and and he got tagged a few times by Lentz, though he was never hurt. He did drop Lentz though. But just watching his standup, he may be able to pressure Cerrone into making a mistake, but I just think Cerrone's length and leg kicks may get him a decision. I was going to bet Oliveira, but then I saw that +400 line for Cerrone by decision. I still think Oliveira wins, but I couldn't pass up +400.

[sbjj]

Who has tagged and dropped Cerrone?

Varner did in the first fight. And McCullough had him hurt. Hell, Kelly and Horodecki were tagging him pretty good. And Ratcliff was beating him until he gassed, or maybe it was the constant nutshots.

Look, I am not saying he sucks. But I see no proof that he is better standing. Hell, when has he ever completely outclassed a guy standing(besides his last fight).

And Edman, those stats you posted mean absolurtely nothing. There are dudesd in MMA who have PRO boxing experience that have TERRIBLE stand up.

[sbjj]

Another thing. Oliv has only really outstruck two guys that we have seen. Nik Lentz and Efrain Escudero. Two shorter wrestlers....Cerrone will actually be bigger and stronger than Oliv. He may have a better reach as well. Cerrone is also a pretty good wrestler. Oliv will have a hard time getting him down. Even if he does, Cerrone will by tough to submit. Cerrone is the bet here, especially at +130.

We just disagree dude. I see in Oliveira what I saw in Jones and what I see(to a less degree in Gustaff.) A real talent with just uncanny fighting ability. You act as if Efrain and Lentz are not that good. you could argue that they are better than anyone Cerrone has beat. Actually, i am pretty sure they are better than anyone he has beat.

you think Oliveira will be the first guy that Cerrone stops with his striking? or is he just going to pick him apart. Seriously? you think Oliveira is just going to sit back and get taken apart. what in his fights in the UFC make you think that is a likely outcome.

I see Cerrone winning by ONE way. Oliveira gets stupis and makes another wild and dumb mistake.

[edman5555]

McCullough is a very very good striker. It is true that he gets tagged a lot though. I guess the thing is I don't think Oliviera is as good a striker as he is getting credit for. He is good, but he has been fighting short guys who can't strike very well. That makes you look pretty good.

Cerrone is a much better striker than Lentz and Efrain. Lentz and efrain win all their fight by wrestling.

[MMA_scientist]

Agree that Cerrone is not some muy thai wrecking machine. He gets hit a lot and he doesn't deliver a lot of power. But Oliveira is a godamned wild man. His standup doesn't look that sharp to me either, more that he just brings it. Cerrone also walks straight forward... I think the difference is that if Cerrone drops him, he won't be able to follow him down for a finish. All I know is that there is going to be action in this fight for as long as it lasts.

[edman5555]

Well I think Cerrone can win a decision. At +400 I am willing to bet it. I certainly believe Olveira can win. I know he can. I don't think Cerrone will knock him out or submit him. He may be able to beat him 2 out of 3 rounds.

[sbjj]

Well I think Cerrone can win a decision. At +400 I am willing to bet it. I certainly believe Olveira can win. I know he can. I don't think Cerrone will knock him out or submit him. He may be able to beat him 2 out of 3 rounds.

That is a big deal for me. I am real confidant that Olive. wins Rd.1. And I doubt he gasses or breaks in the 2nd and 3rd.

[MMA_scientist]

I agree with sbjj that Cerrone is not that great of a striker. I disagree that Oliveira is though. I think he is agressive both standing and on the mat. That agressiveness make you look awesome and helps finish fights, but it can cost you too. It cost him on the mat against Miller. You can't be going for leg locks with reckless abandon while leaving your own spider limbs dangling against a guy that is a very sound technical grappler. I see the same issue here. Doing flying monkey striking attacks and swinging for the fences could cost him against a guy that throws straight down the pipe in Cerrone. I think Oliveira will win, but Cerrone is a vet and he is dangerous and game. He is not going to fold up. Ultimately, I think Oliveira will tap him out.

I think it will look something like this:

[sbjj]

Edman, I really do not think Cerrone is that much better of a striker than Efrain. Lesser strikers have gotten the better of it with Cerrone. i think Cerrone must capitalize on a mistake and sub him. I think Olive. is going to ball over him and in his face.

[Vandelay]

Both cerrone and Oliveira have average boxing at best. What they do have are good kicks. I don't really foresee oliveira stopping cerrone via strikes, but he may be able to sub him. It's a tough fight to predict because both guys are tough to finish yet oliveira pushes a ridiculous pace. Tough card to bet on.

[MMA_scientist]

[edman5555]

I get what your saying. His aggressiveness might win him the fight. Aggressiveness is something that Cerrone has had problems with in a lot of fights. I don't know what will happen to be honest. You could be right. He will probably just go out there get right in Cerrones face.