UFC on Versus 5

[Ludo]

i thought about Herman beating Noke but I think Noke is the better all around grappler, and five of Hermans submission losses are by sub. They seem pretty even striking with a slight power advantage to Herman.

[MMA_scientist]

Vemola is a wrestler, Scientist. He's actually a 6 time Czech Repub. National Wrestling champion. From what I understand that part of the world has some of the best wrestlers on the planet, but I don't know if thats true or not.

I see that now on Wiki... but he got taken down repeatedly by Madsen. And held there. And his standup is terrible. I just don't see him as a strong favorite.

[sbjj]

I was thinking of Figureoa-Benevidez parlay. I can see the concern with Figs wrestling. But I think MacDonalds MMA wrestling is 20x that of Reinhardt, and Fig. seemed to be able to pop back up rather quickly.

Reading Reinhardts 2 UFC fights play by plays is like reading a play by play for one of the first UFC's. I mean, is it poss. to get your ass kicked any worse.

[MMA_scientist]

i thought about Herman beating Noke but I think Noke is the better all around grappler, and five of Hermans submission losses are by sub. They seem pretty even striking with a slight power advantage to Herman.

Yeah, but they guys that subbed Herman were studs, at least stretching back 5 or 6 years, it is just Maia and JMac. I won't be surprised to see Noke win or even get a submission, but I just want to see more of Noke. He lost to McCray on TUF, basically by repeated takedowns. Herman is a wrestler too, and has pretty decent submission defense.

[MMA_scientist]

Someone find a vid of Figeroa/McDonald. I agree Reinhardt does not belong in there. But he has managed to rack up some wins somehow... I know his opposition is pretty terrible, but you still have to have something to win that many fights.

[poopoo333]

7.5u on Figueora @ -255

LOCK.

[MMA_scientist]

7.5u on Figueora @ -255

LOCK.

Explain please.

[poopoo333]

Explain please.

Reindhart sucks. He is old. He is moving down to 135 for the first time in his career and he is already shredded @ 145:



That's gonna be a hard cut

Figueora was able to get out of tough spots on the ground against McDonald and actually get into some good positions in a "grueling fight" where it was non stop. And McDonald is one of the next big things imo. Reindhardt wins by sub in his fights against cans, and he won't be subbing Figueora imo. He showed good sub defense against McDonald. He also took that fight on less than a weeks notice against McDonald, so Figueora should be in better shape for this fight then he was for that one.

Basically Reinhardt sucks dick.

[poopoo333]

I also bet on that fucking annoying fuck C.B. Dollaway @-220.

[poopoo333]

SBJJ...I am with you on Oliveira all the way. I still regret not laying more money down on him @ + odds.


As for parlays I am probably gonna do a 3 fight parlay with Cole Miller/Amir/Hettes. I might lay off the Hettes though and stick to just Amir/Miller.


Dan Hardy is going to end up the favorite imo. Gay.

[mike]

7.5u on Figueora @ -255

LOCK.

all in on Fig at -285. im never more sure about a guy getting whoop. reighart was brought back to make the mongolian wolf look good. he will get destroyed. im gonna bet more on Fig by ko for better odd. also like noke. i think hes a pretty good fighter despite losing to chris mcray (sp).

[MMA_scientist]

Fine. Sold. Everyone is on Figeroa.

What do we think About TJ Obrian and Cole Miller? My only fear is that Grant may be looking for the takedown and he may be able to survive the onslaught, though probably not.

I need another bet for my parlay. Benevidez or C. Miller?

[Svino]

Someone find a vid of Figeroa/McDonald. I agree Reinhardt does not belong in there. But he has managed to rack up some wins somehow... I know his opposition is pretty terrible, but you still have to have something to win that many fights.

I can't find an isolated vid, but I found UFN 24 here: http://www.letmewatchthis.ch/watch-2...Fight-Night-24

Also for a strength-of-schedule comparison, here are the current (Sherdog) records of all the people Reinhardt and Figeroa have beaten, listed from most recent to earliest:

Reinhardt:
0-5
2-11
13-3 (Theodore Reynol)
1-2
2-8
5-8
8-23
3-6
0-1
1-4
0-2
22-15 (Del Hawkins)
3-1
1-1
0-1
0-1
0-2

Figueroa:
17-9 (Johnny Bedford)
7-14
3-4
1-2
1-13 (WTF)
0-3
2-1

[MMA_scientist]

^ the Figeroa fight was not broadcast, so it is not on that. Thanks though.

So what you are saying is that Figeroa's opposition is every bit as bad as Reinhardt's. Reinhardt is 41 though. He is training with Wand fight team for this fight though, I think he just trained at home for every fight prior to this.

[Ludo]

Is training at Wand fight team going to help his takedowns and choke defense, though? His only real path to victory is taking Figueroa down and hoping to pound him out or ride him out without getting choked to death in the process.