BJ Penn Vs Nick Diaz - UFC 137

[MMA_scientist]

I think it will stay in that neighborhood, maybe go to -400 or so right before the fight. I don't think it will improve.

But then again, I am terrible at guessing line movements.

[poopoo333]

where do you guys see the jorgensen line going? not sure if i should take him @-365 or wait

[poopoo333]

[Vandelay]

I have seen some of his fights. I saw the Sandro fight after it happened.

He is pretty decent, but I think Roop might be able to force a standup fight, where it is probably close.

Nice hl vid. Just embarasses mark hominick from 3:45 - 4:15.

[poopoo333]

I have always wanted to see Thiago Alves/BJ

[MMA_scientist]

You see, I just don't know. I really wish he would climb the ladder a little at WW. I know he was the champ, but that was years ago. I could see so many guys giving him problems--Kos, Ellenberger, maybe Story, maybe even AJ. I think that when he won the title, size was less of a factor and the overall skill level at WW was just a lot lower.

So I guess BJ's gas tank + 167 lb walkaround weight just leads to a lot of questions for me and I'll have to see him fight a few more times before I can make any judgments on where he stands.

BTW, you say you have him at #2 . . . did you think he beat Fitch?

I think any one of those guys COULD beat him, but I would favor him over all of them. BJ is tough to take down, even GSP can only take him down after round 1. I think he would take Kosceck's head off. Hughes was landing on Koscheck. AJ would wear out faster than BJ. I think Story would be like Fitch.

I think a draw was the right decision. 10-9, 10-9, 8-10. But I think BJ is a better fighter. I think Hendricks is going to beat Fitch.

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/10/2...randon-vera-a/

Good read about Vera. Sounds like he really has a fire lit under his ass.

He is going to win, but he is still a bum

[poopoo333]

The rest of the lines should be out soon...it is Tuesday. They always come out on Tuesday of fight week

[SPX]

Just wondering...how do you see Curran beating Jorgensen. I know it is unlikely but I think his only way is to get one of those "fluke finishes". There really isn't shit on this card to bet. I do believe each underdog that has a line listed at the moment is live.

I'd say just by being the best Curran he can be. He arguably beat Mizugaki, who, after recovering from getting his bell rung, did well against Jorgensen (all three SD judges gave him the third round). And I know that Curran has put everything on hold to train for this fight.

I certainly don't think he will win. But if Jorgensen is taking the night off and Curran is in the zone, I could see him pulling off the upset.

[edman5555]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/10/25/three-years-after-home-invasion-scars-remain-for-brandon-vera-a/

Good read about Vera. Sounds like he really has a fire lit under his ass.

[poopoo333]

I agree that it's a shitty event for betting with a lot of hard fights to cap. The only fight I'm reasonably confident in is Jorgensen/Curran, but I imagine the line will reflect the reality, and I would not be 100% shocked to see Curran find a way to win.

Just wondering...how do you see Curran beating Jorgensen. I know it is unlikely but I think his only way is to get one of those "fluke finishes". There really isn't shit on this card to bet. I do believe each underdog that has a line listed at the moment is live.

[SPX]

Since when did roops striking all of a sudden become so great. This guy got blitzed by hominick. Meanwhile, hioki more than held his own standing with sandro and won a decision against hominick in a fight where im sure there were prolonged periods of striking. I dont know. I think roop is pretty bad and all of a sudden he is expected to beat the number 2 or 3 featherweight.

I think that beating Garcia, KTFOing Zombie and, more importantly, dominating the former #1 contender in Grispi caused his stock to rise, and rightfully so. I mean, what are we supposed to base our opinions on other than performance?

And yes, he got blitzed by Hominick, but Hominick happens to be pretty good.

[SPX]

Top 5. Honestly, I don't think anyone but GSP would beat him consistently. But he needs a couple more fights at WW, before I am willing to say #2. But really, I have him #2.

You see, I just don't know. I really wish he would climb the ladder a little at WW. I know he was the champ, but that was years ago. I could see so many guys giving him problems--Kos, Ellenberger, maybe Story, maybe even AJ. I think that when he won the title, size was less of a factor and the overall skill level at WW was just a lot lower.

So I guess BJ's gas tank + 167 lb walkaround weight just leads to a lot of questions for me and I'll have to see him fight a few more times before I can make any judgments on where he stands.

BTW, you say you have him at #2 . . . did you think he beat Fitch?

[Vandelay]

I have seen some of his fights. I saw the Sandro fight after it happened.

He is pretty decent, but I think Roop might be able to force a standup fight, where it is probably close.

Since when did roops striking all of a sudden become so great. This guy got blitzed by hominick. Meanwhile, hioki more than held his own standing with sandro and won a decision against hominick in a fight where im sure there were prolonged periods of striking. I dont know. I think roop is pretty bad and all of a sudden he is expected to beat the number 2 or 3 featherweight.

[MMA_scientist]

Where would you put Penn in the WW rankings right now?

Top 5. Honestly, I don't think anyone but GSP would beat him consistently. But he needs a couple more fights at WW, before I am willing to say #2. But really, I have him #2.