UFC 117

[Svino]

Re: UFC 117

Bets I haven't made but will definitely be making for this card: Sonnen, Fitch, and Hughes. I would say "I am picking all the wrestlers", but I won't bet on Guida.

I don't think it even clicked for me that Sonnen, Fitch, and Hughes were all on the some card. Joe Silva must really want to put the audience to sleep.

[edman5555]

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I already have Sonnen for 1u. I'm not so sure about that bet but oh well it's done.

Thinking about Hughes, he could get subbed though..Almeida is a solid ADCC competitor from what I read.

Fitch i'll def be on.

[Thewiseman]

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I took Silva at -360 to win 2u. At the time I wasnt too sure about the fight, but took it because I that I could hedge later for sure. Sonnen is only +345 and I am thinking Sonnen is gonna win. I hope money starts coming in on Silva. I am starting to think
Chael has at least a 30% chance, maybe more.

[zY|]

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I don't think he has much of a shot, but then again I have never ever picked a Chael Sonnen fight correctly. Not one. So just ignore me.

[Ludo]

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.5u to win 1.25u on Nelson
1.1u to win 1u on Fitch
1u to win 1.4u on Hughes

[AC88]

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Definitely think Hughes is going to take it now actually. I don't want to call Fitch/Alves yet because its been damn long since their last fight. I don't think Fitch can do what GSP did to him and I highly doubt Fitch can re-do what he did to win the first time around.

[MMA_scientist]

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Probably going to be on Thiago Silva @ -250 or better, Dos Anjos, Hendricks @ -200 or better, and Nedkov @ -125 or better.

[AC88]

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Probably going to be on Thiago Silva @ -250 or better, Dos Anjos, Hendricks @ -200 or better, and Nedkov @ -125 or better.

What has made you get on the Dos Anjos bandwagon? I really thought he was going to lose to Etim at 112. It seems like you know a secret about him or something.

[MMA_scientist]

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Probably going to be on Thiago Silva @ -250 or better, Dos Anjos, Hendricks @ -200 or better, and Nedkov @ -125 or better.

What has made you get on the Dos Anjos bandwagon? I really thought he was going to lose to Etim at 112. It seems like you know a secret about him or something.

I just think he is good. He has a very good ground game, good takedowns, and pretty good standup. He has nasty leg kicks and a lot of speed. I think he is right below the top of the division... he lost to Tyson Griffin, but that was a very close fight that really could have gone to Dos Anjos. He got KO'd by Stephens, but I don't hold that against him. Skill wise, I would put him in the hunt with anyone except BJ.

I just look at his fights and think, would Tyson Griffin or Edgar beat this person? If so, then I bet on Dos Anjos. The problem here is that Guida beat Griffin IMO, and he has the takedowns to give Dos Anjos some problems... so this is a tough matchup for him. I am going to have to look at Dos Anjos' sweeps and game off his back before I make the bet.

No secret, I just think he is undervalued in almost every fight because the UFC doesn't push him.

[Havis Jr]

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People have been counting Sonnen out since he first got to the UFC. Silva hasn't displayed world class tdd which he will need to even attempt to stop the takedown.

Anderson's whole career is based off of beating guys with no takedowns. He beats brawlers and bjj guys with his striking because he never has to worry about the takedown.

Sonnen at +335 is a no brainer. I got 3u on sonnen, Im considering another 2.

[zY|]

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People have been counting Sonnen (R-Or) out since he first got to the UFC. Silva hasn't displayed world class tdd which he will need to even attempt to stop the takedown.

Anderson's whole career is based off of beating guys with no takedowns. He beats brawlers and bjj guys with his striking because he never has to worry about the takedown.

Sonnen (R-Or) at +335 is a no brainer. I got 3u on sonnen, Im considering another 2.

You really think Sonnen can go 25 minutes without getting put on a stretcher?

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 117

People have been counting Sonnen (R-Or) out since he first got to the UFC. Silva hasn't displayed world class tdd which he will need to even attempt to stop the takedown.

Anderson's whole career is based off of beating guys with no takedowns. He beats brawlers and bjj guys with his striking because he never has to worry about the takedown.

Sonnen (R-Or) at +335 is a no brainer. I got 3u on sonnen, Im considering another 2.

Going to have to disagree here... Hendo has good takedowns, and he is a more decorated wrestler and all around better fighter than Sonnen IMO. Hendo grounded him, but he couldn't even get space to land a hammer fist. Sonnen will get subbed or KO'd.

Marquart put Silva down down too. Maia has very good takedowns for a bjj guy- he ragdolled Sonnen. I actually thought Maia would be able to take Silva down. But since that fight, I give Sonnen a very very small chance.

Silva has shown that even if you get him down, he can use his limited opportunities to mess you up. Go back re-watch Hendo and Marquart... they had the same plan and they both have better sub defense and striking than Sonnen.

[Ludo]

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Hendo's takedowns traditionally are upper body clinch trips/throws since his base is Greco. The problem there is he has to get inside Anderson's reach to get there which was the problem in round two. Sonnen has excellent shooting takedowns which means he doesn't have to get his face pounded on in order to close the distance and snag a takedown. Unless Anderson stays far far away from Sonnen at all times I don't see him stuffing every takedown.

[Svino]

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Sonnen (R-Or) has excellent shooting takedowns which means he doesn't have to get his face pounded on in order to close the distance and snag a takedown.

Yup, I agree. I don't think the Hendo / Silva fight can really be used to argue against a bet on Sonnen. If nothing else, watch it and then tell me you don't think another guy like that would be worth a wager at +350.

Unless Anderson stays far far away from Sonnen (R-Or) at all times I don't see him stuffing every takedown.

On the other hand, never underestimate Silva's willingness to stay far far away from an opponent.

[edman5555]

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Hendo's takedowns traditionally are upper body clinch trips/throws since his base is Greco. The problem there is he has to get inside Anderson's reach to get there which was the problem in round two. Sonnen (R-Or) has excellent shooting takedowns which means he doesn't have to get his face pounded on in order to close the distance and snag a takedown. Unless Anderson stays far far away from Sonnen (R-Or) at all times I don't see him stuffing every takedown.

This. I beleive Chael is what you would call a freestyle wrestler? Correct? That style seems to be so much better for mma. Not that greco doesn't work well, but they always seem to have to lumber in or use freestyle(grabbing the legs) takedowns.

A good example of this is the Ben Askren vs Hornbuckle fight. Compare that to the Pitbull freire-Joe warren fight. Joe couldn't take pitbull down at all with the clinch takedowns but eventually he started shooting on him and getting him down. Obviously any greco roman wrestler is probably going to have a much better shot than your average fighter but I don't think they compare to a freestyle guy.

I may not be using the correct terms here, maybe someone can help. I know greco roman is where you use trips/throws to take people down, but freestyle and folk style i think I understand but may not.

folk is high school/collegiate. Freestyle is more international? In the olympics. I always thought freestyle was roughly the same as folk style, or what?