UFC on Versus 2 odds

[SPX]

Re: UFC on Versus 2 odds

You sure Okami's not still conscious?

[zY|]

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You sure Okami's not still conscious?

You mean now?

I certainly hope so.

[Luke]

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You sure Okami's not still conscious?

You mean now?

I certainly hope so.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ Anderson was dominating him before that kick.

Okami has lost to every single decent wrestler he has ever fought, that is all I am saying. He has never beaten a guy he couldn't take down or that took him down. Never.

Sonnen. Shields. Suluev.

The only other wrestler he ever fought and beat was Nick Thompson (who is a WW/LW and pretty far below the others in terms of wrestling ability).

@ -140 or whatever, I probably would lay off entirely. I wouldn't bet Munoz @ +110. No way I would take Okami @ -215 where is now. But Munoz @ +175 is good.

So it looks like we are almost all on this fight. We are going to war.

[poopoo333]

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I am staying away. But I do have Okami in a parlay I put together awhile ago...$1.87 to win $33,000.

[zY|]

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The lines are drawn. After this you're going to have to find a new Filipino 12 year old to obsess over.

Once more unto the breach dear friends.

[SPX]

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The lines are drawn. After this you're going to have to find a new Filipino 12 year old to obsess over.

Once more unto the breach dear friends.

LOL

[SPX]

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Okami has lost to every single decent wrestler he has ever fought

I don't know what you classify as "a decent wrestler," but Tanner had a wrestling base and J-Mac is a solid grappler.

[MMA_scientist]

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Okami has lost to every single decent wrestler he has ever fought

I don't know what you classify as "a decent wrestler," but Tanner had a wrestling base and J-Mac is a solid grappler.

Tanner wrested in high school (and it was in Texas to boot). There are definitely some states where high school wrestling is much less impressive- like Melvin being a Louisiana State Champion is about the equivalent of maybe being able to make a varsity team in any midwestern state. For example, as a JV wrestler in the 10th grade, I defeated (actually shut out) the Kentucky State high scholl champion in my weight class.
Jmac is a good submission grappler, but was never a wrestler.

I classify a wrestler as any guy that had at least a marginally sucessful post high school wrestling career, plus GSP.

[SPX]

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I classify a wrestler as any guy that had at least a marginally sucessful post high school wrestling career, plus GSP.

You see, I just think about ability. If the guy has shown some solid wrestling skills then he can wrestle, regardless of his background or whether he did it in college. Some people don't even go to college.

[sbjj]

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LOL @ thinking Okami will have problems with any decent wrestler because Sonnen beat him. Using that logic anyone who loses to GSP will have trouble with any wrestlers from that time on. For Gods sake, Sonnen is the best wrestler in the 185 division. Okami is a seasoned vet who was stopped early in his carreer close to a decade ago, and since then his only losses are close decision(minus Sonnen) to VERY GOOD fighters.

I think his strength of schedule alone and record over 10 years easily makes him a -150 fave over a very raw(yet tough) fighter who has glaring holes in his game. Couple that with the fact that Munoz wrestling has not looked great up till now, and I think a Yushin win is very likely. If Munoz improves(dude better hope he does), and this fight was made 18 months from now, maybe it would be considered a pick em.

[Luke]

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I am staying away. But I do have Okami in a parlay I put together awhile ago...$1.87 to win $33,000.

jesus wtf

[sbjj]

Re: UFC on Versus 2 odds

I am staying away. But I do have Okami in a parlay I put together awhile ago...$1.87 to win $33,000.

jesus wtf

How many more fights do you need to win?

[poopoo333]

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Okami is the first fight, lol. I will lose, don't worry

[MMA_scientist]

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LOL @ thinking Okami will have problems with any decent wrestler because Sonnen (R-Or) beat him. Using that logic anyone who loses to GSP will have trouble with any wrestlers from that time on.

I never said that. I said Okami has never defeated ANYONE that was a superior wrestler or ANYONE that even wrestled collegiately. He has faced 3 good wrestlers in his entire career. He has 0 wins and 3 losses. If someone lost to GSP, Hendricks, Koscheck and Hughes, and had no wins over AA level wrestlers, then yes, I would draw the same conclusion.

Also Sonnen is not the best MW wrestler, he probably isn't even top 5. Munoz would be favored over Sonnen in a wrestling match. He never won NCAA, he never made a world team, he never made the olympics. Unless you mean best use of wrestling in MMA, then that is subjective and I am not going to argue it (I still disagree, but at least it could be argued).