UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think Kampmann takes this 70% of the time. Shields striking is horrible and Kampmann I believe is a good enough grappler to keep it on the feet for the most part, and not get in trouble when it does hit the ground.

I hope you're right. I'm not counting on it, but it wouldn't exactly surprise me either. Most people don't seem to be giving Kampmann much of a chance, talking about it almost like it's a lock for Shields, but I don't buy it.

In any case, only time will tell and we'll find out tomorrow.

[Luke]

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I hope you're right. I'm not counting on it, but it wouldn't exactly surprise me either. Most people don't seem to be giving Kampmann much of a chance, talking about it almost like it's a lock for Shields, but I don't buy it.

In any case, only time will tell and we'll find out tomorrow.

Somebody is giving Kampmann a chance ,the line has dropped from +285 to +185


On another note I didnt realize the gonzaga line has dropped so much

[Luke]

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Weigh ins tonight at 5pm eastern

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Weigh ins tonight at 5pm eastern

Ill be on the road. Dana white is ruining MMA.

[SPX]

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I gotta be honest with you motherfuckers, I am having one HELL of a time finding anything to bet on this card.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I gotta be honest with you motherfuckers, I am having one HELL of a time finding anything to bet on this card.

Then dont bet anything. Dont feel like you have to bet every card ,I dont

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Then dont bet anything. Dont feel like you have to bet every card ,I dont

Yeah, but I gotta make my comeback. . .

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Then dont bet anything. Dont feel like you have to bet every card ,I dont

Yeah, but I gotta make my comeback. . .

If you're forcing bets it might just backfire. Just my opinion but do what you want

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I only saw the last 3 weighins but :

Shields looks small at 170, Ortiz is shredded , and Brock came in at 264 only 21 pounds bigger than Cain

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

If you're forcing bets it might just backfire. Just my opinion but do what you want

I know, I know.

But someone's gotta win, and someone's gotta lose. I just gotta figure out who does what.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Any thoughts on McGee/Jensen?

[SPX]

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Damn, Brock looks much bigger. . .

[Mr. IWS]

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War Rico! Tito looked fuckin ripped. I wonder what excuse he is gonna use tommorow? Overtrained?

Brocky looked Huge. Ill probably be on him for a unit.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I know I said I was going to bust out some old school breakdowns for this event, so let me go ahead and get this one out while it's fresh in my mind. . .


Stout vs Taylor


I originally thought that Stout was going to have the sex with Paul Taylor, but now I'm not so sure. I think I had someone else in mind when I thought about Paul Taylor. I have a problem doing that with fighters I'm not particularly familiar with and it seems that that little bit of absentmindedness has struck again.

As a striker-vs-striker match, I expect this fight to be close, just as most all of Stout's fights are close. Both fighters come from kickboxing backgrounds and both have held titles in that sport. As such, I expect this one will primarily take place on the feet. However, both fighters also have shown a tendency to go for takedowns when things aren't going their way or to try to steal a round, such as at the end of Stout's fight with Etim, and I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see either fighter attempt that here. Stout and Taylor have both shown weakness on the ground, as well as improved ground skills with each new fight, and it could possibly be either fighters' plan to exploit the other's weakness with what they may feel is their own superior grappling abilities. If that happens, flip a coin.

However, if the fight stays on the feet, I think we'll see one of two outcomes: Stout will outpoint Taylor with his technical striking and superior defense, or Taylor will outpoint Stout with his aggression, speed, and "relentless" pace. Here's a case where a fighter (Taylor) lives up to his nickname, as he always moves forward and he just doesn't quit.

The likelihood of one outcome or the other may come down to cardio. Both fighters have a good gas tank and have shown that they can go 3 rounds with no problem, keeping up a steady pace the whole way through. However, with this being Taylor's first time cutting to 155, it's a huge question mark as to how it will effect him. He could look better than ever having now found his "true" weight class, or it could turn into an embarrassing James Irvin-esque affair.

So who wins this thing? If I seem indecisive, that's because I am. There are so many factors at play here and it's difficult to know the direction this fight goes. So in my mind there are only two plays here: Taylor or stay away. For me, I think Taylor at +170 is worth a small bet and I've put .59u on him at that line.

[poopoo333]

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Let's see. Taylor hasn't fought in 11 months, and:

"Taylor was supposed to next face John Gunderson at UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi, UAE. This would have been a change in weight classes for Taylor, dropping from 170 to 155 to fight as a lightweight in the UFC, but due to complications after making the weight cut, Taylor was not medically cleared to fight."'

He had troubles @ LW before he could even fight.

Taylor also is a shitty grappler. He has poor TDD, so if Stout is having trouble on the feet, I am sure if he decides to go and grapple he will get the job done there. Taylor is 2-4 in the UFC, his wins are decisions over Peter Sabotta and Jesse Liaudin (split decision)...wait...who?

I see Stout as the more technical fighter, and Taylor more as of a shitty brawler.

I think Stout will win a lopsided decision.