UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

He trains Guerilla Jiu Jitsu.

Isn't GJJ just BJJ with some extra shit added in.

From what I understand it's a fusion of Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I might be wrong but I believe it's mainly offense oriented rather than passive. More about creating openings than waiting for them. It's neither really.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Stout's line got high, that sucks. I think if anybody is going to bet Schaub they should get better odds on him to win inside the distance, I don't see him beating Gonzaga to a decision.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Sorry he won the No gi blue belt bjj world championships 1 year after he started training. This is according to wikipedia.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I just think Lesnar has a tighter grappling game.

guerilla jj is bjj. It focuses more on the entries to attacks off of the throws, but so do a lot of bjj guys. It is just marketing. Camarillo is trained in bjj and judo. I like it, I have his book.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

What do you think about Diego Sanchez's grappling game? He is good isn't he?

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I know paulo is good, who is better? Are they that far off?

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

This is a repost of one of My earlier posts from page 23 but it might help, edman.

Thiago is the better submission guy from an offensive standpoint but Diego is incredibly tough to submit. Dude had moderate Success in his submission grappling competitions, not to mention he went almost twelve full minutes against and still didn't get subbed by Marcelo Garcia. Thiago has about zero chance of subbing him unless he rocks him something fierce and follows him to the ground ala Mike Swick. I can't see either guy winning this by any other way than submission. Both have great chins and above average ground skills, that said I think Diego outworks Paulo to a decision. The pace he pushes is hard for alot of guys to deal with, I don't know if Paulo has an answer for it, especially getting worked the way he did by Kampmann.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

They are about the same size, Paulo is five eleven and Diego is five ten. I just wonder if Diego can take him down and not get tagged repeatidly standing.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

They are about the same size, Paulo is five eleven and Diego is five ten. I just wonder if Diego can take him down and not get tagged repeatidly standing.

Diego looked about 4'7" against Hathaway.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

They are about the same size, Paulo is five eleven and Diego is five ten. I just wonder if Diego can take him down and not get tagged repeatidly standing.

Paulo's striking is not technical by any means. He has wide looping punches that have alot behind them and thats about it. In order to win the striking Diego would have to use alot of footwork, stick the jab, and use some kicks as well for distance when he wasn't going for a takedown. That sounds like Diego's usual game plan to be honest.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

They are about the same size, Paulo is five eleven and Diego is five ten. I just wonder if Diego can take him down and not get tagged repeatidly standing.

Paulo's striking is not technical by any means. He has wide looping punches that have alot behind them and thats about it. In order to win the striking Diego would have to use alot of footwork, stick the jab, and use some kicks as well for distance when he wasn't going for a takedown. That sounds like Diego's usual game plan to be honest.

Yeah, I see Thiago getting wild with his trademark haymakers and getting put on his back.

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain .5u to win 1u (with a friend)
Cain by dec .2u to win 1.75u
Kampmann 2.5u to win 5.45u
Kampmann/Shields goes the distance .8u to win .5u
Thiago/Sanchez goes the distance .82u to win .5u
Cote .85u to win .5u

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think Kampmann takes this 70% of the time. Shields striking is horrible and Kampmann I believe is a good enough grappler to keep it on the feet for the most part, and not get in trouble when it does hit the ground.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Just placed my bet on this guy:

[zY|]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain on Sports Science. Apparently he's the hardest puncher they've ever tested at 2230 pounds of force. FWIW

http://search.espn.go.com/mma-live/videos/6

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