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  • sbjj
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 1418

    Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

    Originally posted by SPX
    I know I said I was going to bust out some old school breakdowns for this event, so let me go ahead and get this one out while it's fresh in my mind. . .


    Stout vs Taylor


    I originally thought that Stout was going to have the sex with Paul Taylor, but now I'm not so sure. I think I had someone else in mind when I thought about Paul Taylor. I have a problem doing that with fighters I'm not particularly familiar with and it seems that that little bit of absentmindedness has struck again.

    As a striker-vs-striker match, I expect this fight to be close, just as most all of Stout's fights are close. Both fighters come from kickboxing backgrounds and both have held titles in that sport. As such, I expect this one will primarily take place on the feet. However, both fighters also have shown a tendency to go for takedowns when things aren't going their way or to try to steal a round, such as at the end of Stout's fight with Etim, and I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see either fighter attempt that here. Stout and Taylor have both shown weakness on the ground, as well as improved ground skills with each new fight, and it could possibly be either fighters' plan to exploit the other's weakness with what they may feel is their own superior grappling abilities. If that happens, flip a coin.

    However, if the fight stays on the feet, I think we'll see one of two outcomes: Stout will outpoint Taylor with his technical striking and superior defense, or Taylor will outpoint Stout with his aggression, speed, and "relentless" pace. Here's a case where a fighter (Taylor) lives up to his nickname, as he always moves forward and he just doesn't quit.

    The likelihood of one outcome or the other may come down to cardio. Both fighters have a good gas tank and have shown that they can go 3 rounds with no problem, keeping up a steady pace the whole way through. However, with this being Taylor's first time cutting to 155, it's a huge question mark as to how it will effect him. He could look better than ever having now found his "true" weight class, or it could turn into an embarrassing James Irvin-esque affair.

    So who wins this thing? If I seem indecisive, that's because I am. There are so many factors at play here and it's difficult to know the direction this fight goes. So in my mind there are only two plays here: Taylor or stay away. For me, I think Taylor at +170 is worth a small bet and I've put .59u on him at that line.
    I agree 100%. Taylor will at the least make this a competitive bout.

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    • sbjj
      Senior Member
      • May 2010
      • 1418

      Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

      Found out today that the M(in Vegas) is a bitchin sportsbook to place UFC and Boxing bets.

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      • SPX
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 23875

        Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        Let's see. Taylor hasn't fought in 11 months, and:

        "Taylor was supposed to next face John Gunderson at UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi, UAE. This would have been a change in weight classes for Taylor, dropping from 170 to 155 to fight as a lightweight in the UFC, but due to complications after making the weight cut, Taylor was not medically cleared to fight.""

        He had troubles @ LW before he could even fight.
        Well, you're right about the weight cut, and I pointed that out. But the fact that he fucked it up before actually is comforting for me. After all, for this fight he knew what NOT to do and I'm at least hoping that he did some practice cuts to make sure that this one went well.

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        Taylor also is a shitty grappler. He has poor TDD, so if Stout is having trouble on the feet, I am sure if he decides to go and grapple he will get the job done there.
        They're both average grapplers at best, but Taylor's grappling has improved. I think the Paul Kelly fight was very instructive for him, because we've seen much improvement out of him in his fights since that one. He defended more than one of Lytle's takedowns and also was able to get back to his feet once taken down.

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        Taylor is 2-4 in the UFC, his wins are decisions over Peter Sabotta and Jesse Liaudin (split decision)...wait...who?
        First off, Liaudin actually was 2-0 in the UFC going into that fight, including a win over Denis Siver. And don't make me get all MMAthematical on your ass with THAT shit, cause if I do, then Liaudin>Siver>Fisher>Stout.

        Also, look at who his losses are to. Paul Kelly, who is underrated in my opinion, and who won that fight with takedowns, not his standup. Marcus Davis, who he would probably hold a win to if not for that referee. (All props to Davis for bringing his superhuman chin into that one though and getting the win. Truly a Harley Davidson Shifting Gears Moment.) Chris Lytle, 'nuff said. John Hathaway, 'nuff said.

        Taylor's had a hard row to hoe.

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        I see Stout as the more technical fighter, and Taylor more as of a shitty brawler.
        Stout is more technical, but Stout also has lost to Spencer Fisher in what was basically a kickboxing match, as well as to the less technical Jeremy Stephens. But I don't see Taylor as a brawler. His defense sucks, but his strikes are pretty crisp and precise.

        Originally posted by poopoo333
        I think Stout will win a lopsided decision.
        I hope not.
        I heart cock

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        • poopoo333
          MMA *********
          • Jan 2010
          • 18302

          Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

          Well GL SPX, turn on Strikeforce and come over to the Challengers thread, I'm bored.

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          • Luke
            10 year vet
            • Oct 2006
            • 30060

            Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

            Originally posted by SPX
            Damn, Brock looks much bigger. . .


            I remember someone saying that was going to be the case for the last 6 months .Let me see if I can find him
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            • poopoo333
              MMA *********
              • Jan 2010
              • 18302

              Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

              Originally posted by Luke
              Originally posted by SPX
              Damn, Brock looks much bigger. . .


              I remember someone saying that was going to be the case for the last 6 months .Let me see if I can find him
              Didn't sideloaded get banned?

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              • Luke
                10 year vet
                • Oct 2006
                • 30060

                Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                Originally posted by poopoo333
                Didn't sideloaded get banned?

                lol I meant me you goof


                Go back to pages 3-6 of this thread
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                • Luke
                  10 year vet
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30060

                  Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                  Shields is now down to -177 what gives?
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                  • Svino
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 3873

                    Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                    Originally posted by Luke
                    Shields is now down to -177 what gives?
                    Where?

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                    • SPX
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 23875

                      Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                      Originally posted by poopoo333
                      Well GL SPX, turn on Strikeforce and come over to the Challengers thread, I'm bored.
                      Damn, I forgot that shit was on tonight.
                      I heart cock

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                      • Luke
                        10 year vet
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30060

                        Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                        Originally posted by Svino
                        Originally posted by Luke
                        Shields is now down to -177 what gives?
                        Where?

                        matchbook
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                        • SPX
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                          Originally posted by Luke
                          I remember someone saying that was going to be the case for the last 6 months .Let me see if I can find him
                          Well . . . you were correct.
                          I heart cock

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                          • Luke
                            10 year vet
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 30060

                            Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                            Originally posted by SPX
                            Originally posted by Luke
                            I remember someone saying that was going to be the case for the last 6 months .Let me see if I can find him
                            Well . . . you were correct.

                            lol I was just screwing around but poopoo ruined it


                            bastard
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                            • SPX
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 23875

                              Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                              Originally posted by Luke
                              lol I was just screwing around but poopoo ruined it


                              bastard
                              What an asshole. . .
                              I heart cock

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                              • poopoo333
                                MMA *********
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 18302

                                Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

                                Originally posted by Luke
                                Shields is now down to -177 what gives?
                                Rumors have it that Shields is having a hard time getting down to 170 (he hasn't been there in 2 years or something?) and he had a bad back injury during this training camp. Shields' camp said this week that it was along time ago but I just read it may have been closer then we think

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