UFC 125

[MMA_scientist]

Volkmanns standup isn't anything special from what I have seen. I thought about betting Kim also but I don't like betting against Nick. He is pretty good. I may place a bet on Mckee.

I have thought a lot about the Kim/Diaz fight. I think it is a really close fight and impossible to envision for me. Kim had some KO's before he came to the UFC... but he has looked mostly like a top control guy in the UFC. Diaz has looked better, but he has been dropped by punches on several occasions. He is going to be the best guard player Kim has ever faced too... just too many variables. I was going to bet Diaz, but now I am either going to bet Kim via decision, or just sit it out. Probably just sit it out.

[MMA_scientist]

Do you think he can stop Stephens takedowns?

probably, he is going to be a lot stronger that Stephens. I don't think Stephens is going to be looking for a takedown anyway. He just wants to bang. Davis will probably oblige him for a little while. For once, Davis is not going to be at huge reach disadvantage, so he may look a lot better @ LW. At +195, I have to agree that Davis the clear play.

[edman5555]

You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.

[SPX]

You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.

I also don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Davis will be stronger. Stephens is pretty solid.

As for takedowns, it's not out of the question. I do believe I remember him taking Stout down more than once.

[MMA_scientist]

You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.

I agree Stephens has looked pretty strong, but Davis has been a pretty strong WW... he is pretty thick. But you're right, we don't know how he will look after the cut. I read that he was leaning out some, trying to get a more classic boxer's build back. If Stephens puts him down, he has some flithy gnp...

[poopoo333]

Do you think he can stop Stephens takedowns?

I think Stephens will stand, and Davis will be the one trying the TDs.

As for takedowns, it's not out of the question. I do believe I remember him taking Stout down more than once.

Just watched the fight, Stephens got the TD in round 1 from catching the kick and was stuffed everytime after that, except a quick TD he got at the end of the 3rd round where Stout got right back up.

[edman5555]

What would concern me is Stephens taking one of the first two rounds with wrestling then being able to win last round just because he is worn out.

[MMA_scientist]

What would concern me is Stephens taking one of the first two rounds with wrestling then being able to win last round just because he is worn out.

Well, any time you are on a 2:1 underdog, the other guy is going to have some outs. Stephens has a ton of outs here, he could win in a variety of ways. So could Davis. But at +195, the value is with Davis IMO

[SPX]

Well, any time you are on a 2:1 underdog, the other guy is going to have some outs. Stephens has a ton of outs here, he could win in a variety of ways. So could Davis. But at +195, the value is with Davis IMO

I agree that the value is in Davis here at this point.

I got Stephens at -135 and while I was a touch hesitant even at that line, I think the value was in Stephens probably up to -150.

I'm pretty surprised the line has moved as much as it has in Stephens' favor, though.

[MMA_scientist]

I agree that the value is in Davis here at this point.

I got Stephens at -135 and while I was a touch hesitant even at that line, I think the value was in Stephens probably up to -150.

I'm pretty surprised the line has moved as much as it has in Stephens' favor, though.

Yeah, I slightly favor Stephens, just because Davis has not been looking good. At -150 I can see a case to be made for Stephens. But at 2 to 1 for Davis, that is the only play.

[Luke]

Because "UFC level competition" is just a term Dana wants you to believe means something, but actually means nothing except you know someone who can get you into the UFC. New guys come in all the time and do quite well. McKee has been beating guys dominantly, guys that are every bit as good as "UFC competition."

And because it is a wrestler/wrestler matchup, and McKee has shown dominant wrestling, while Volkmann has not. And McKee probably has a striking edge too. He is black, so 40 is like 30 in white guy years.

You act like Volkmann is a bad fighter or Mckee has actually fought anyone recently thats any good. Mckee might win I just think the line is way to high

[Luke]

I have no fuckin clue where that is. Do they have HD?

I have dishnetwork and its in the mid 200's and its not HD. I had to go through my channels one by one just to see if I had it lol

[SPX]

You act like Volkmann is a bad fighter or Mckee has actually fought anyone recently thats any good. Mckee might win I just think the line is way to high

In all fairness to McKee, he just made a statement against Azevedo, who not only holds a win over Din Thomas but also is the only guy to ever beat Aldo, who he subbed (and Aldo had already had 7 fights up to that point so it's not like he had never been in the ring before).

[Luke]

In all fairness to McKee, he just made a statement against Azevedo, who not only holds a win over Din Thomas but also is the only guy to ever beat Aldo, who he subbed (and Aldo had already had 7 fights up to that point so it's not like he had never been in the ring before).

Thats really stretching it X. Azevedo is 7-6 in the past 4 years against subpar competition not to mention the Aldo and Thomas fights were almost 5 years ago. Alot happens in 5 years

[MMA_scientist]

Delson Heleno is very good as well, that was a few years ago, but still. Volkmann's crowning achievement is decisioning Paul Kelly, so let's not get carried away about his competition either.

I like Volkmann, I like how he rocks the chest hair, like he just don't care. I would love to see him beat McKee, who I do not like at all. But I don't think he will. Seems like Volkmann's plan is to tire him out from what I have read... that's usually not a good sign. He is basically conceding that he won't be able to stop the takedown, but saying that McKee won't be able to hold him there, which may be true... but what is Volkmann going to do if he stuffs the takedown? He can't strike very well either, and McKee will probably beat him there too. Volkmann can obviously win, but even at the current line I don't think McKee is a horrible bet.