2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[SPX]

Ask the fightfinder czar.

I don't understand what you're saying.

[Luke]

Trust me, that's a fucking armbar. There's no technique that you do like that called an "armlock."

Oh rlly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armlock

[Luke]

An armlock that hyperflexes or hyperrotates the shoulder joint is referred to as a shoulder lock, and an armlock that hyperextends the elbow joint is called an armbar

Basically what I'm getting is its the exact samething but if applied to the shoulder its called an armlock, if the elbow is the one getting bent in half its an armbar...............again I could be wrong

[Luke]

I don't understand what you're saying.

makes 2 of us

[zY|]

I don't understand what you're saying.

Jordan Breen runs the Sherdog fightfinder.

[MMA_scientist]

That is a straight up arm bar or juji gatame. it was sloppy as hell and telegraphed (actually it is shocking he was able to do that in UFC 4... I mean look how much space there is) but it is supposed to be an armbar.

It is really amazing that a guy with really rudimentary skills like Jennum was able to beat that boxer guy. I am sure he wasn't a great boxer, but Jennum was a whitebelt on the ground, he didn't come from a wrestling or judo base, and his striking was sloppy too...

[SPX]

Oh rlly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armlock

Yeah, but read the shit. It classifies the "armbar"--or juji-gatame--as an armlock. So clearly that article is using "armlock" to mean any technique that attacks the arm, not some specific move.

Is an armbar an armlock? In the general sense. But if a motherfucker has someone in an armbar, you say he has an armbar, you don't say he has an armlock.

That's the same as saying calling an uppercut a punch.

[MMA_scientist]

FWIW "juji gatame" means "cross armlock". I think what we call an arm bar is the bjj nomenclature for that specific move. Maybe it had not been fully adopted yet at the time. In any event, the move Jennum was doing was definitely the juji gatame or armbar from mount.

[SPX]

That is a straight up arm bar or juji gatame. it was sloppy as hell and telegraphed (actually it is shocking he was able to do that in UFC 4... I mean look how much space there is) but it is supposed to be an armbar.

Word. I was wondering how long it was going to take you to chime in.

It is really amazing that a guy with really rudimentary skills like Jennum was able to beat that boxer guy. I am sure he wasn't a great boxer, but Jennum was a whitebelt on the ground, he didn't come from a wrestling or judo base, and his striking was sloppy too...

I think Bowen was actually considered a pretty decent boxer and may have even captured some sort of belt at some point. Not sure though.

As for Jennum, I'm not sure what you know about him, but I know that he came from the RBWI (Robert Bussey's Warrior International) camp, and I actually respect the shit out of Robert Bussey. He was actually one of the first people back in the 80s to develop a well-rounded system that involved both striking and grappling elements. He wasn't the first or the only one, but at a time where one-dimensional traditional martial arts were the norm, he was actually something of a pioneer.

[Luke]

Yeah, but read the shit. It classifies the "armbar"--or juji-gatame--as an armlock. So clearly that article is using "armlock" to mean any technique that attacks the arm, not some specific move.

Is an armbar an armlock? In the general sense. But if a motherfucker has someone in an armbar, you say he has an armbar, you don't say he has an armlock.

That's the same as saying calling an uppercut a punch.

lol no need to get worked up I didnt even read the article .I just typed armlock into google and copy and pasted the first part of it . I said I may have no idea what I was talking about . You get your feathers ruffled too easily ,I'm just playing around

[Luke]

FWIW "juji gatame" means "cross armlock". I think what we call an arm bar is the bjj nomenclature for that specific move. Maybe it had not been fully adopted yet at the time. In any event, the move Jennum was doing was definitely the juji gatame or armbar from mount.

It was a cross armlock ........I win

[MMA_scientist]

Word. I was wondering how long it was going to take you to chime in.



I think Bowen was actually considered a pretty decent boxer and may have even captured some sort of belt at some point. Not sure though.

As for Jennum, I'm not sure what you know about him, but I know that he came from the RBWI (Robert Bussey's Warrior International) camp, and I actually respect the shit out of Robert Bussey. He was actually one of the first people back in the 80s to develop a well-rounded system that involved both striking and grappling elements. He wasn't the first or the only one, but at a time where one-dimensional traditional martial arts were the norm, he was actually something of a pioneer.

I remember them saying he was like an IFC champion or something, but they used to make shit up all the time. Either way, he was way more athletic and experienced than Jennum, which is kind of the point.

I don't know anything about him, but his grappling is really basic, like a guy that watched the moves but didn't have very many reps in. Not knocking him, but compared to the wrestlers and Royce, he was way behind in any one area. But I was more just marveling at how much just a little bit of well roundedness could get you back then (and for self defense).

[SPX]

lol no need to get worked up I didnt even read the article .I just typed armlock into google and copy and pasted the first part of it . I said I may have no idea what I was talking about . You get your feathers ruffled too easily ,I'm just playing around

My bad. I just knew that I knew what I was talking about. I've been involved in martial arts to one degree or another since I was 7 and I had to do an armbar for my white belt Judo test. So you'll have to forgive me for being a little defensive, especially in light of your "we'll have to wait until MMA Scientist gets here" remark.

It was a cross armlock ........I win

I really will fight you.

[Luke]

Bowen wasnt a good boxer from what I recall .There's a reason a 20 something "boxer" is fighting MMA for a chance at 60k ...........he isnt a good boxer

[Luke]

So you'll have to forgive me for being a little defensive, especially in light of your "we'll have to wait until MMA Scientist gets here" remark.



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I just meant he'll tell us what it is when he gets here , not whos wrong or right lol . I mentioned twice I maynot have any clue what I was talking about .I wasnt trying to prove a point I was just screwing off