Strikeforce Dallas June 18th

[poopoo333]

Poopoo how in gods name do you have Mir at #5 ? WTF has he done besides getting pounded out by Carwin and Lensar?

And Carwin at 4? He's beat Mir and .................well that's it

Yeah...awesome point. For some reason when I was making that up, I completely forgot Carwin lost to Brock.

And I don't know. This is what's hard about making MMA rankings. May as well just make rankings for the UFC and Strikeforce. It really does leave too much speculation because those guys don't fight/haven't fought each other.

[SPX]

You act like JDS never turns up the heat. He did against Carwin at the end of the first round. And that's also how he beat Struve.

He fights cautiously, but if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

[Luke]

Nelson did.

Nelson threw more punches in rd 3 than in did in rds 1 or 2 , he was slowing because he was getting the shit beat of of him

[SPX]

No one would ever gas against JDS because he fights at too slow of a pace so mark that one off your little list

Nelson did.

[Luke]

First off, I would not at all be surprised to see JDS outstrike Overeem. Not in the slightest.

Second, with only a couple of exceptions, Overeem hasn't submitted anyone that has any real ground skills.

Third, I think the first round would be close but JDS would pull ahead substantially in rounds 2 and 3 as the gas-fest begins.

Now, with all that said, you're always trying to discredit JDS. If you can't see what a special fighter he is by now then, dude, I can't help you.

No one would ever gas against JDS because he fights at too slow of a pace so mark that one off your little list

[Luke]

Poopoo how in gods name do you have Mir at #5 ? WTF has he done besides getting pounded out by Carwin and Lensar?

And Carwin at 4? He's beat Mir and .................well that's it

[SPX]

Not really. His only argument was a win over Brett Rogers who ended up in the top 10 for beating top 10 at the time Arvolski. Then he lost to Fedor...and I think he was still top 10 on a lot of people's lists. So I guess you COULD have made the case for him at the #10 spot, no higher.

Burt. Rogers.

[SPX]

Oh please, JDS? No way. JDS is a kickboxer with good takedown D. Reem is a Better kickboxer with good takedown D plus submissions and way more experience.

First off, I would not at all be surprised to see JDS outstrike Overeem. Not in the slightest.

Second, with only a couple of exceptions, Overeem hasn't submitted anyone that has any real ground skills.

Third, I think the first round would be close but JDS would pull ahead substantially in rounds 2 and 3 as the gas-fest begins.

Now, with all that said, you're always trying to discredit JDS. If you can't see what a special fighter he is by now then, dude, I can't help you.

[edman5555]

For the record, I favor Cain over Overeem.

[poopoo333]

including you I'm sure.

Not really. His only argument was a win over Brett Rogers who ended up in the top 10 for beating top 10 at the time Arvolski. Then he lost to Fedor...and I think he was still top 10 on a lot of people's lists. So I guess you COULD have made the case for him at the #10 spot, no higher.

[SPX]

So if I think Frank Mir would beat Carwin in a rematch, that means he should be higher in actual rankings? No, it shouldn't. Speculation is why MMA rankings are so fucked up.

I think that avoiding speculation is impossible if you want to rank anyone at all.

I mean, if you want to go exclusively by the things that can be quantified, how was Overeem even in the top 10 at HW before last night? Does beating Paul Buentello and Todd Duffee get you into the top 10? He owned NO wins over top 10 guys and yet just about everyone had him in their list, including you I'm sure.

[poopoo333]

Oh please, JDS? No way. JDS is a kickboxer with good takedown D. Reem is a Better kickboxer with good takedown D plus submissions and way more experience.

Oh here we go.

[edman5555]

Why Overeem at #2?

After last night, I really feel confident that he would get beat by JDS, and very possibly Fedor, Bigfoot, and Barnett as well.

Oh please, JDS? No way. JDS is a kickboxer with good takedown D. Reem is a Better kickboxer with good takedown D plus submissions and way more experience.

[edman5555]

I second that.

[poopoo333]

Really.

So if I think Frank Mir would beat Carwin in a rematch, that means he should be higher in actual rankings? No, it shouldn't. Speculation is why MMA rankings are so fucked up.