UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I need to go back and watch some Lentz fights, but I'm thinking that Griffin should definitely be favored. Griffin is good all around and easily could have gotten the nod in the Sherk fight with a different set of judges. In fact, I see Griffin kind of like I see Florian - always sort of hovering right there around the title but never quite being able to reach it.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I am hoping Lentz's good record and Griffin's Dunham and Gomi fights are reflected in the lines. I think Griffin just freaked out in the Dunham fight(I still think he is close to Dunhams level) and got caught against Gomi.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I think Dunham would beat him again, but I do think that he would beat Gomi 3 fights out of 4.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

The Dunham Griffin fight was actually pretty close. Remember that Dunham is a lot bigger than him too, taller at least. Lentz will be about his height.

Also a question for MMA Scientist, what exactly did you hear about BJ PENN's training? He really isn't taking this seriously?

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

When do you guys expect the rest of these lines to come out? I'm getting ancy.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I think Dunham would beat him again, but I do think that he would beat Gomi 3 fights out of 4.

It is not that I think he beats Dunham. But I do not think that fight would play out the same in a rematch. If Tyson came in with a different gameplan, I think he gives Dunham a much more competitive rematch. Just not giving up your back to get up would make it much closer. Tyson felt he could do that because it had worked for him so many times before.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I think it might be a gut feeling that Scientist is having. I kinda have it myself. I still firmly believe as long as he just has an OK camp and comes in able to give 3 decent rounds in there, that he wins.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

It probably has something to do with Gomi knocking him out cold.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I think it might be a gut feeling that Scientist is having. I kinda have it myself. I still firmly believe as long as he just has an OK camp and comes in able to give 3 decent rounds in there, that he wins.

I dunno. I saw an interview with BJ the other day where he was talking about being very motivated to get a big win before the end of the year. I don't think he wants to go 0-3 for 2010.

But with BJ you really never know.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I think it might be a gut feeling that Scientist is having. I kinda have it myself. I still firmly believe as long as he just has an OK camp and comes in able to give 3 decent rounds in there, that he wins.

I dunno. I saw an interview with BJ the other day where he was talking about being very motivated to get a big win before the end of the year. I don't think he wants to go 0-3 for 2010.

But with BJ you really never know.

Yea, I saw it to. I hope so, i have 5 units on him.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Matt Hughes is getting old. In an interview Hughes was talking about BJ and he said that he wanted a "Tired BJ PENN " on the ground. Maybe he is intimidated by BJ?? Bj handled him in the first fight and he was dominating in the second, until he gassed horrrrrribly. Hughes has probably lost a step since then too. Maybe he is hoping to get a tired BJ because he knows he isn't as good as a well trained BJ.

As far as BJ's training..he just fought back to back 5 rounders. He is only having about 3 months inbetween a fight. How long is his training camp? How many weeks? 6? 8? It can't be twelve, that would by crazy. He should have only had a month, two at most without training. He should still be in good shape. I'm not a fitness expert but that shouldn't be long enough to leave him that far out of fight shape.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Good points, Edman.

Anyone think last minute money comes in on Hughes? I like BJ in this one, but should've grabbed him as a dog. I'm hoping his line goes back down closer to fight time.

[Mr. IWS]

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I dunno. I saw an interview with BJ the other day where he was talking about being very motivated to get a big win before the end of the year. I don't think he wants to go 0-3 for 2010.

He says shit like that all the time. Fuck him.

That said, I still want him to win.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

He says shit like that all the time. Fuck him.

Maybe he always means it, too. Sometimes guys just aren't up to the challenge. If will alone won fights then we'd have a lot more winners.

Besides, the situation for BJ right now is kind of dire. He's only gone 0-2 once before in his life. I'm sure he feels the pressure.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Maybe he always means it, too. Sometimes guys just aren't up to the challenge. If will alone won fights then we'd have a lot more winners.

Besides, the situation for BJ right now kind of dire. He's only gone 0-2 once before in his life. I'm sure he feels the pressure.

He needs to get in a fuckin camp, where he can be pushed. Plain and simple. I hope he comes through.