UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

He needs to get in a fuckin camp, where he can be pushed. Plain and simple. I hope he comes through.

Has he ever trained with anyone other than his home crew?

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Bj's record isn't that bad. Since losing to Jens Pulver right when he started fighting he has only lost to GSP, Matt Hughes, Lyoto Machida and Frankie Edgar. When evaluating BJ's performance you have to remember that he is always fighting top competition, often outside his weightclass.

Break down his losses. Lyoto a light heavyweight

GSP. Possibly the pound for pound best.

Matt Hughes. One of the top Welterweights of all time, he only lost the second fight because he was a dumbass and didn't train.

Lastly F. Edgar. A lot of people thought he won the first fight, he def lost the second though. How bad did he really beat him? He didn't do much damage. You can't sell Frankie short either, hes got a lot of good wins. Look at his record, he is actually pretty badass.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

He needs to get in a fuckin camp, where he can be pushed. Plain and simple. I hope he comes through.

Has he ever trained with anyone other than his home crew?

I don't think he has. I would love to see him swallow his pride and go up to Tri-star and train with GSP for a camp.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I don't think he has. I would love to see him swallow his pride and go up to Tri-star and train with GSP for a camp.

Do you even think GSP would extend that offer?

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

^^^^^^I don't see why not. He is always preaching how he is a "martial artist", I could see him doing it. Shit would be so epic, I would probably pop a chubby. Maybe they get Mir up there too, and I go full hard on.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Its not a gut feeling. I am basing it on his interview at UFC 122, where he basically said he is training himself this time. He had been with Marinovich for a couple camps (the ones where he was in actual good shape)... now he said he is jst going back to sparring more and taking what he learned and training himself. I took that to mean, "I am not training very hard, if at all."

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

^^^^^^I don't see why not. He is always preaching how he is a "martial artist", I could see him doing it. Shit would be so epic, I would probably pop a chubby. Maybe they get Mir up there too, and I go full hard on.

LOL

I see.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Its not a gut feeling. I am basing it on his interview at UFC 122, where he basically said he is training himself this time. He had been with Marinovich for a couple camps (the ones where he was in actual good shape)... now he said he is jst going back to sparring more and taking what he learned and training himself. I took that to mean, "I am not training very hard, if at all."

HMMM

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

I will be on hughes or nothing.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Why the fuck is Phil Davis's line always in the stratosphere? If his opponents are that outmatched then they need to give him harder fights.

[Vandelay]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

When the line first opened I was going to be one penn big. However, people must be pounding penn cause the line is about where it should be now (I think line ends up at -200). Penn still has phenominal takedown d and what makes edgar and gsp so efficient is how well they set up their takedowns by blending everything so well together. Hughes striking is abysmal. He lacks the ko power to threaten penn and he doesnt have the speed and volume to bother him. But at the end of the day its BJ and his motivation and lack of conditioning are big detriments towards placing a bet on him because you never know what BJ will show up.

On a sidenote. I think hughes has looked like shit recently. I recall him getting beat soundly by almeida in the stand up before his punch landed and I think we can all agree this wont happen to BJ. So if one places a bet on hughes I assume they believe that he can stay even on the feet and manage multiple takedowns throughout the fight.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

^ agreed. I actually think Renzo took round 1 off him... and Almeida was getting the better of him standing. Now all of the sudden people think Hughes is back. Renzo is 43 and never was that great in MMA. I think he fluked out against Almeida with the punch personally.

But BJ is hard to bet on, because he is such a flake.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Well Hughes also beat Serra, sadly.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Serra is a midget.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

Serra is a midget.

Get the fuck out of here.