UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[zY|]

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Yeah.

If Cain gets mashed by Brock I'm going to look like a pretty big R-tard.

[SPX]

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Vera/Bones- I actually called this one out months in advance as a great value on Vera, and he should be the favorite. Turns out, I was pretty wrong.

I remember you actually had me scared a little on this one. I had money on Bones and started thinking, "Could he be right? Could Vera actually have a chance?"

My current fight to feel stupid about is Grove/Konrad. I took Grove for a full unit at +325 (rare for me to put a full unit on a big underdog). My thinking is that Grove has much more experience and hits like a truck, and Konrad hasn't even really been hit yet. So here's to hoping that Grove runs through him. But Konrad could just lay on top of him the whole fight like he does everyone else.

[zY|]

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Toney will KO Couture shooting in too.

Sorry, but when I think of Neil Grove, all I see is Mike Ciesnolevicz ripping his knee apart in 7 seconds.

[poopoo333]

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I thought briefly that Daley might have some legitimate shot against GSP

WOW

[SPX]

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WOW

Daley has better than average TDD and a lot of power. My thought was that Daley could potentially keep it on the feet just long enough to crack GSP like Serra did, and that he'd have a better chance of doing that than most others in the division.

Really, I still feel that way in a sense, but not like I did before. But like Scientist said, the way to beat GSP is to hit him hard. Daley, as a technical power puncher, fits the bill of someone who could perform that task better than most.

In fact, this was my reasoning for Hardy having a shot, too. Hardy has shown pretty good TDD and a penchant for landing hard, precision strikes.

[SPX]

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Toney will KO Couture shooting in too.

Sorry, but when I think of Neil Grove, all I see is Mike Ciesnolevicz ripping his knee apart in 7 seconds.

Two things. . .

1. I haven't seen any explosive, impressive shots from Konrad. Truthfully, I never understand how he gets any body down. He always seems to just lumber up to motherfuckers and they let him get his arms around them.

2. Well you can use that argument against anybody who has lost a fight.

"When I think of Fedor all I see is him getting triangled by Werdum."

See?

[Mr. IWS]

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[MMA_scientist]

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Konrad I think is really fuckn strong. He looks like a fat pile of shit, but I think he is one of those dudes that just scares you when he grabs you. On a side note, Konrad is a WAY better wrestler than Brock and would beat him a wrestling match easily. Not only is he a 2x NCAA champion, he is also a Pan-Am champion, and a world freestyle champion (at University level- which is an age category in freestyle, not really anything to do with universities). And he was dominant, he pinned dudes in the NCAA finals. He is just a brute and his appearance makes everyone under rate his wrestling.

If you watch Cormier's fights, the same thing happens, all of the sudden, he is just on top. In his last fight in Bellator against that big dude, the other guy shot in, and then, all of the sudden, Cormier had him pinned.

I think Konrad is going to throw Grove around. But you are right, Grove could just wallop him flush before the clinch. In my opinion, he has one chance to get his punch off though. If he doesn't seriously hurt Konrad in the first exchange, it will be all over.

[zY|]

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[Mr. IWS]

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If you watch Cormier's fights, the same thing happens, all of the sudden, he is just on top. In his last fight in Bellator against that big dude, the other guy shot in, and then, all of the sudden, Cormier had him pinned.

I been liking Cormier for awhile now. He is like a fuckin grizzly bear. When that dude gets a hold of you, its a wrap.

[edman5555]

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Konrad I think is really fuckn strong. He looks like a fat pile of shit, but I think he is one of those dudes that just scares you when he grabs you. On a side note, Konrad is a WAY better wrestler than Brock and would beat him a wrestling match easily. Not only is he a 2x NCAA champion, he is also a Pan-Am champion, and a world freestyle champion (at University level- which is an age category in freestyle, not really anything to do with universities). And he was dominant, he pinned dudes in the NCAA finals. He is just a brute and his appearance makes everyone under rate his wrestling.

If you watch Cormier's fights, the same thing happens, all of the sudden, he is just on top. In his last fight in Bellator against that big dude, the other guy shot in, and then, all of the sudden, Cormier had him pinned.

I think Konrad is going to throw Grove around. But you are right, Grove could just wallop him flush before the clinch. In my opinion, he has one chance to get his punch off though. If he doesn't seriously hurt Konrad in the first exchange, it will be all over.

He has many chances. Konrad hasn't really been finishing guys, not to say he cant though. If Grove can even get up once per round after being taken down, that is 6 chances to nail Konrad. With his kind of power it isn't incredibly unlikely that he could take him out but it's not likely enough to bet it at +285. I would need better odds.

[SPX]

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Hammersmith's thoughts:

Neil Grove vs. Cole Konrad: If you were following along last month, Neil Grove was one of the best value bets for September, and made us all a grand chunk of change with his quick defeat of Alexey Oleinik. Now he finds himself in the finals and fighting a monster of a wrestler in Cole Konrad in a five-round title fight, and in another position to make us some money. While Konrad can certainly get takedowns, that appears to be all he’s able to do, as thus far he hasn’t finished a single opponent under the Bellator banner. Suddenly, the idea of this being a five-rounder becomes very important, as Konrad needs to ride the clock to win this fight and will be dodging a bullet every time it’s stood up. Combine this with Konrad’s terrible conditioning, and we have a recipe for a knockout at any time, courtesy of Grove’s wrecking ball fists. With the line opening at +300 for Grove, he comes in as the best bet of the month, as he has better than even odds to beat Konrad via KO.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ true, he can't finish for shit. And Orr did get up several times in their fight. But when Kole fough Grabowski, he ducked teh first punch, took him down and kept him there the entire round. Grove's ground game is at best a question mark. I could see Cole finishing him down there.

[MMA_scientist]

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I give Grove a decent chance, and the line is definitely too steep on Konrad. I even agree that there is value to Grove and it is a good bet. But LO mfukn L at better than even for a KO.

[SPX]

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But LO mfukn L at better than even for a KO.

LOL

I also had to pause at that, but on the other hand, we may be surprised. Grove may just go out there and take care of business. If nothing else, there's no denying that this will be Konrad's biggest test to date.