UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[zY|]

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Neil Grove is a big lumbering goofball who's going to get taken down easily and often. Once down he's probably going to end up gassing. He's not the guy to beat Cole Konrad.

LOL at Daley being the guy to beat GSP. Besides the obvious fact that he would get thrown on his head and mauled, GSP would outstrike him if he wanted to, simply by virtue of knowing how to utilize a jab. Beating GSP requires a bit more than just 'punching hard'.

[edman5555]

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I didn't realize it is a 5 rounder. We don't know what Groves cardio is like, it could be worse than Konrads. Grove is going to have a hard time not wasting a lot of energy trying to not get taken down and get up from the takedown.

[MMA_scientist]

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I also had to pause at that, but on the other hand, we may be surprised. Grove may just go out there and take care of business. If nothing else, there's no denying that this will be Konrad's biggest test to date.

It is probably his biggest test, but Grabowski (he was 13-0 going into the Konrad fight) is pretty close. Not like a huge leap in comp, IMO.

Anyway, I would love to see Grove knock him senseless. Dude is huge, has the fight where he wants it, and still can't finish or really even do alot of damage. At least when Brock puts a guy down there, he lumps them up.

[edman5555]

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Grove is quite a bit bigger than Grabowski and he has a lot more punching power.

[zY|]

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I also had to pause at that, but on the other hand, we may be surprised. Grove may just go out there and take care of business. If nothing else, there's no denying that this will be Konrad's biggest test to date.

It is probably his biggest test, but Grabowski (he was 13-0 going into the Konrad fight) is pretty close. Not like a huge leap in comp, IMO.

Anyway, I would love to see Grove knock him senseless. Dude is huge, has the fight where he wants it, and still can't finish or really even do alot of damage. At least when Brock puts a guy down there, he lumps them up.

Give him a chance, he's like 6-0. It's not like your boy Frodo is some kind of top finisher either.

[SPX]

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Beating GSP requires a bit more than just 'punching hard'.

Well what's it going to take? And don't say some stupid shit like "better wrestling" or something equally as obvious.

[MMA_scientist]

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Give him a chance, he's like 6-0. It's not like your boy Frodo is some kind of top finisher either.

Frodo has 6 finishes in 9 fights. He finished his first 4 guys and has finished 2/4 in the UFC. 66% finishes is kind of awesome. Konrad was fighting cans up until Lloret. I understand why he didn't finish Lloret. But he should have finished everyone else.

[zY|]

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Beating GSP requires a bit more than just 'punching hard'.

Well what's it going to take? And don't say some stupid shit like "better wrestling" or something equally as obvious.

Being a better MMA fighter.

Seriously, since GSP is a complete fighter at the game of MMA, you need someone who can out-GSP GSP. Someone with the skills in all areas to threaten him with, mix it up, confuse him, and basically be a better fighter. If you sit back and wait for a counter shot he's going to get into his rhythm and you're going to get destroyed. Koscheck is the closest to that mythical fighter right now, he has the physical attributes and possibly even the skills. He's just a dumb fighter and is horrible at utilizing his skills properly and mixing his game up and he's probably going to get merked again.

[zY|]

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Give him a chance, he's like 6-0. It's not like your boy Frodo is some kind of top finisher either.

Frodo has 6 finishes in 9 fights. He finished his first 4 guys and has finished 2/4 in the UFC. 66% finishes is kind of awesome. Konrad was fighting cans up until Lloret. I understand why he didn't finish Lloret. But he should have finished everyone else.[/quote:4lv7qgaa]

You're giving him credit for the Sadollah fight? You're better than that.

Anyways, I'm saying it takes time. Machida didn't finish anybody forever, then he absolutely highlight reeled Thiago and Rashad back to back.

[MMA_scientist]

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agreed, it takes time. Some guys get their agression later. I am not really mad he doesn't finish. It is just that he has been in a position to finish for almost every minute of every fight he has been in. He has been in complete control and in side control a lot of the time... rain down some punches... learn how to set up some top control subs. Just get nasty in there. He seems to be totally content to ride out the clock. A 300 pound guy should be able to hurt you once he has you pinned.

[MMA_scientist]

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You're giving him credit for the Sadollah fight? You're better than that.

It certainly doesn't count as a decision win.



dear god that was a terrible stoppage.

[Luke]

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[SPX]

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It certainly doesn't count as a decision win.

C'mon though, it's obvious in the gif that you just posted that the fight wasn't over. Sadollah was still fully conscious and trying to get back up. Early stoppage, that one.

[SPX]

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I had no idea Pat Cote was scheduled to fight Lawlor.

[zY|]

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Schaub at +190 doesn't seem bad. I really do hope Gabe smashes his cocky ass though.