UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[Mr. IWS]

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In case anyone missed it.......

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[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Wiki pulls from the Sherdog Fightfinder.

Until some jackass edits it and writes in that Dan Hardy is undefeated until he fights GSP...

[Thewiseman]

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Wiki just gives more info on a fighters background.

[SPX]

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While UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre will next put his title on the line in December against fellow "The Ultimate Fighter 12" coach Josh Koscheck, the division's next top contender may be decided as early as next week.

At a press conference today in Montreal promoting December's "UFC 124: St-Pierre vs. Koscheck 2" event, UFC president Dana White said promotional newcomer Jake Shields (25-4-1 MMA, 0-0 UFC) will likely earn himself a title shot with a win in his upcoming octagon debut.

"If Jake Shields should win against Martin Kampmann, it will probably be him next," White said.

Shields and Kampmann are slated to square-off in the co-feature of UFC 121, which takes place Oct. 23 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.

Shields, of course, recently vacated Strikeforce's middleweight title in favor of a UFC contract. Shields has also held titles under the EliteXC and Shooto banner and comes to the UFC with an impressive 14-fight win streak – a run that includes victories over UFC veterans during his streak, including ex-champ Dave Menne, Yushin Okami, Carlos Condit, Mike Pyle, Nick Thompson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler and Jason "Mayhem" Miller.

Fellow top welterweight contender Jon Fitch recently took to his Twitter account to petition for a No. 1 contender bout with the winner of the Shields vs. Kampmann matchup.

"I say winner of Shields vs. Kampmann fights me for a title shot," Fitch stated.

While St-Pierrre is the only man to defeat Fitch in his past 22 trips to the cage, the American Kickboxing Academy might not get that chance – at least if Shields proves victorious in his UFC debut.

St-Pierre and Koscheck headline UFC 124 on Dec. 11 in Montreal.

[SPX]

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^^ Mixed emotions on that. On one hand, I have money on Kampmann and would like to see him win. On the other, Shields is a more interesting matchup for GSP than just about anyone else in the division right now.

[MMA_scientist]

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I don't see how Shields is an interesting match-up. His standup is horrible, and he will never take GSP down. Shields also doesn't have a good bottom game. His bottom game is almost entirely about pushing the other guy away and shooting as he stands up, almost exactly liek what Hughes does on bottom. GSP would/will kill him.

[SPX]

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Who would you prefer to see fight GSP instead? If nothing else, Shields is something new.

With that said, presumably if Kampmann wins--which he might--then he'll be fighting GSP instead. What do you think about that fight? More interesting than Shields in your opinion?

[MMA_scientist]

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I think Kampmann is more interestling style-wise, because at least we would not know the gameplan for sure. But I want to see the Shields fight. As you said, it is someone new, who at least theoretically could threaten him. I also like to see promotional champions fight each other. That said, I think it is a horribly impossible style match up for Shields.

I would honestly like to see GSP put it to Anderson Silva. But since that is not going to happen, I would prefer to see Shields over Kos or Fitch again. Kampmann just isn't good enough to beat him IMO. I like Kampmann, and to a certain extent he is underrated, but he barely beat Condit. He just doesn't have the tools to beat GSP. There are some guys coming up that will be interesting. Hathaway could be interesting, as he has shown he can stuff some wrestlers and has good hands. Askren will be interesting eventually as he might be actually be able to put GSP on his back. Hendricks is the most interesting IMO though. Everyone thinks I am crazy here, but Hendricks has the wrestling to create scrambles when he is on bottom, hit some takedowns of his own, and he has some power in his hands (which so far is really the only way to beat GSP).

[zY|]

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^^You ARE crazy.

I read your whole post, nodding my head in silent agreement, and then you bust out with this wild shit about Frodo and now I have to disregard everything you just said as the inane rantings of an invalid.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^You ARE crazy.

I read your whole post, nodding my head in silent agreement, and then you bust out with this wild shit about Frodo and now I have to disregard everything you just said as the inane rantings of an invalid.

lol.

I think we have had this discussion before. I would put gsp @ -225 against Johny. Koscheck is the next closest thing in my book, but I think Hendricks a better wrestler and grappler. He also has Hendo style power. It's not fast or pretty, but it works. GSP is too good and methodical on the ground to beat him there. Somebody is going to have to turn it into a brawl and luck out. GSP is the best fighter on the planet, no one can beat him consistently IMO... but Johny has as good a chance as anyone.

[SPX]

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Scientist has been touting Frodo as the future WW champion for a while now. . .

Personally, I think the next champ is obviously Ryan Ford.

[zY|]

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Scientist has been touting Frodo as the future WW champion for a while now. . .

Personally, I think the next champ is obviously Ryan Ford.

Yeah, and it is therefore my duty to give him shit everytime he brings it up.

[MMA_scientist]

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We are all entitled to our quirks. I also really thought Maia was going to beat Anderson. I started the Maia will be champ talk like 3 years ago. When the fight finally came to pass, I was all ready to bump my 3 year old posts... but then....

massive fail.

[SPX]

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LOL. Well at least you own up to your bullshit and eat your crow when necessary.

I thought briefly that Daley might have some legitimate shot against GSP and thought (or was hoping?) that the Hardy fight would at least be competitive.

[MMA_scientist]

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Yeah, it's one thing when you think what everyone thinks (the favorite) and then most people are surprised together. It is much more humiliating when you get on the soap box about some random fight, or really start believing in an underdog, and then they just get squashed. Sometimes it pans out though (Werdum/Fedor)- though even I can admit that Fedor would win that fight 2/3 of the time.

My most humiliating prognostications:

Maia/Silva is the worst. I actually had a bunch of guys over, I was mouthing off a lot about Maia's underrated takedown game (he threw Sonnen!).

Galvao/Stewart was bad too. I was sooo confident Galvao would work him on the ground. Then he goes out there and gets out jiu jitsued. I lucked out on the decision, but I still felt dumb as hell.

Kongo/Mir. Apparently Mir can strike.

Vera/Bones- I actually called this one out months in advance as a great value on Vera, and he should be the favorite. Turns out, I was pretty wrong.